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  1. Mike Douglas

    This is actually a really interesting product. Ill have to look into the costs of making a bb gun range in my backyard though, yet thats not a big deal. Great article, i look forward to reading more.

  2. Marcus Fry

    I’m and air gunner and I think this is a great idea. But I do have a major issue that it only shoots at around 600 fps. I would really consider it if it could shoot up to 750-800 fps. It would be also great if there was a .22 pellet version that would shoot around 650-700 fps.

  3. Mike

    You would not notice much of a difference between 600fpd and 800fps unless you useda hevier BB.

    The light weight BBs have more radical flight tragectories the faster you push them.

    There are .22 caliber pellets that can be used in varios rifles. However, you will not get a signifacant advantage by going that route.

    1. Marcus Fry

      @Mike. I totally disagree. 1st off I was referring to pellets, not BBs (accuracy is an issue for BBs). For a light pellet like a .177 (7 grains or so) all you have going for you is speed, especially if you want to hit something with authority or are hunting squirrels, or want longer shots. It takes breaking the speed of sound to really mess up a pellets accuracy (depending on elevation, that’s around 1100 fps). Yes, match quality pellet guns do tend to keep at 500 to 600 fps, but there is NO SHORTAGE of pellet guns that are very accurate at 800 plus fps. As for .22 pellets you are basically doubling the mass (about 14 grains) of the pellet and hitting with a larger contact area. Rather have a .22 at 600 fps than a .177 at 750 fps. In this case the .22 gives you an least an extra 3 ft lbs of energy over the faster .177. Perfect example of this is your classic Benjamin/Sheridan multipump pneumatic: at full pump the Benji in .177 can reach around 800 fps (9.95 ft. lbs), while a one in .22 (13.14 ft. lbs) can reach around 650 ft. lbs. The .22 pellet is more efficient, and also more resistant to cross winds. In the small power world of air guns (never mind the more powerful, big bore PCPs), these differences do matter. Both can easily take out a squirrel with a head shot. I would not want to attempt that with a .177 at 600 fps, it’s doable but you are taking a chance. It seems Crosman went for shot count instead of velocity with this AR15 conversion. Having a .22 version also allows you to attain higher pellet velocity before you start losing accuracy by going too high in velocity, and at the same time you are dumping a lot more energy on the target due to the greater mass of the .22 pellet. This is also why some very accurate and powerful airguns come chambered in .25 caliber . Amongst others, I have a Benjamin Discovery in .22 that shoots at 800 fps, it’s super accurate and super lethal to squirrels and racoons.

      1. Mike

        You do realize this is referring to traing and not hunting right?

        As stated.. “You will not gain a significant advantage by going that route.”

        This means from a practical standpoint. Why spend all the money and effort training with that level of equipment if your not going to gain much,if any, of an advantage?

        If one were to put that same time, effort , and money into training with a cheap .22 rimfire they would gain more than they would with a quality air rifle/pistol setup.

        I use air pistols,even airsoft pistols, to practice stand your ground scenarios. I then use .22LR to practice transitioning techniques, and trigger controle, depending on the platform.

        Therefore, from a training perspective a few hundred FPS isnt going to matter.

  4. Johnny Nguyen

    How to I can join this training. ?

  5. Ruben

    The MAR177 is definitely a great addition to the average AR15 owner’s arsenal, but sheesh that price tag is pretty hefty. As far as firing an air gun inside your house, I’d like to meet somebody’s wife that is Okay with the whole idea, even if it is quiet and “only” 600 fps.

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